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Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.10 21:57:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Tech 3 is awesome 
too awesome to the detriment of every other ship which is unfortunate because they have great potential to add something unique to the game of being a true multi-purpose ship. Hopefully the re-balance will do this they should be a support ship at its heart not some uber battleship in a cruiser disguise.
However i feel in order for this to happen and still remain viable the cost of the ship must be brought in line with T2 cruisers or thereabout. |

Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.10 22:23:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Harvey James wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Tech 3 is awesome  too awesome to the detriment of every other ship which is unfortunate because they have great potential to add something unique to the game of being a true multi-purpose ship. Hopefully the re-balance will do this they should be a support ship at its heart not some uber battleship in a cruiser disguise. However i feel in order for this to happen and still remain viable the cost of the ship must be brought in line with T2 cruisers or thereabout. Tech 3 ships are just as vulnerable to attack and destruction as any other class of hull in the game. Sure, they have an edge as they're far more versatile in terms of customization, but in the same respect you take far more risk flying them due to their cost and the fact you lose skill points when you get asploded.
wow considering your CCP and CCP say balancing ships isn't based on cost.... |

Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.10 23:02:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Harvey James wrote:wow considering your CCP and CCP say balancing ships isn't based on cost.... My job isn't to balance ships, so that's my personal opinion after having been a PvPer for best part of 10 years 
Then its lucky for me it isn't your job  but you do accept T3's are OP in nearly every way especially its amazing resists that only belong on CS? |

Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.10 23:07:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:ccp fozzie seems to have concluded that it's heavy missiles that are overpowered.
now that's a seperate argument which he is correct also |

Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.10 23:31:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:T3s are awesome. Generally people who complain about them come in 2 varieties:
1. people who have no clue how to fit them 2. people who can't afford them
it comes down to a similar argument as 'titans are overpowered, they're so much better than dreads!!'
ofc they are it couldn't possibly be because they are correct ... god forbid you're in denial about there overpowerdness....
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Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.11 00:07:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:Harvey James wrote:
wow considering your CCP and CCP say balancing ships isn't based on cost....
They do, but that is a scaling thing coupled with diminishing returns. The higher you go up the power ladder, the less power additional ISK buys you. It's not a no-questions-asked-design-religion, or every ship in EVE would cost the same and they could just throw out faction ships, since they are all about raw power increase at extra cost. Anyway, you are hinting at things they mostly talk about when we discuss multi-billion ISK supercaps. When we are talking sub-caps, risk vs. reward is just as significant.
no i'm not talking about caps at all CCP have said that ship balancing isn't based on isk at all |

Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.11 00:27:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Harvey James wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Tech 3 is awesome  too awesome to the detriment of every other ship which is unfortunate because they have great potential to add something unique to the game of being a true multi-purpose ship. Hopefully the re-balance will do this they should be a support ship at its heart not some uber battleship in a cruiser disguise. However i feel in order for this to happen and still remain viable the cost of the ship must be brought in line with T2 cruisers or thereabout. Versatility, let me repeat it to you: VERSATILITY Negative points: Command sub ->quite ridiculous this sub does not limit fittings and slots so they are not better than Command ships and still profit from some ridiculous sign radius still making them IMPROBABLE when you put the money for. From expensive to extremely expensive if you want to get the best out of those SP loss Extra SP training For the last part "uber battleship in a cruiser desguise" you clearly haven't flown battleships these days. Show me the T2 fitted Tengu with over 1K dps hands down and please explain me the mechanics and sign radius influence on applied dps. You have about 1h and I want at least 10 pages. If you're good you'll get cookies. 
lol, i was referring more to its tank than its dps although there dps application is always better than a battleship and people can throw extra training and lots of isk at me all you want although besides the cruiser lv5 training subs is ridiculously easy and isk cost is because they are so OP to begin with and maybe raw cost is too high aswell.
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Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.11.11 00:32:00 -
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It's amazing people will nitpick to the tiniest of details instead of taking the sentiment from a post as its intended.... |

Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.11 13:57:00 -
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Lord Okinaba wrote:Tech 3's are too good at too many things, they make T2 cruisers almost pointless.
Tech 3 should be jack of all trades, but master of none.
Tech 2 should be specialized into specific roles and be the best at performing those roles.
To me, arguing about the cost of T3 and T2 in the current state and using that as a reason for gap is pointless, as the current price of the ships reflects the ships current performance. If you were to boost Tech 2 the market would soon start to reflect those changes and the prices of those ships would go up.
christ i hope not 200mil is already quite expensive this is why people use bc's and T1 e-war cruisers.... when they get around too fixing tech moons maybe they will drop in price instead... fingers crossed. |

Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.11.11 20:41:00 -
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Norm Tempesta wrote:I don't get the reasoning behind most of this nerf T3s sentiment. T3s cost more, people who own them are more inclined to put better mods on them. Just the fact that it is T3 means > T2. You are risking more too, iskwise, plus the desire of other people to get that shiny ship on their killboard.
If this line of reasoning is pursued then everyone will be flying T1s because now that T3s have been nerfed to be similiar to T2s we still have a problem, T2s are too much better than T1s............and so on
There may be some balancing issues with them. I am not sure that they were meant to fit BS afterburners but overall I think they are working as intended.
ok remove isk from the equation .. do you think that T3's stomp on the majority of T2 ships in the game? |
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